http://historicfiction.tribe.net Tribe.net. Local Connections http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/c6016380-8230-43ea-82e7-d9eb56441520#3b1f9527-2f8d-481c-aef5-73ad84dd4a0b THE YEAR 1907 This will boggle your mind, I know it did mine! The year is 1907. One hundred years ago. What a difference a century makes! Here are some of the U.S. Statistics for the Year 1907: ************************************ The average life expectancy in the U.S. Was 47 years old. Only 14 percent of the homes in the U.S. Had a bathtub. Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone. A three-minute call from Denver to New York City Cost eleven dollars. There were only 8,000 cars in the U.S. , and only 144 miles of paved roads. The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph. Alabama, Mississippi, Iowa, and Tennessee were each more Heavily populated than California With a mere 1.4 million people, California was only the 21st Most populous state in the Union The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel Tower ! The average wage in the U.S. Was 22 Cents per hour. The average U.S. Worker made between $200 and $400 per year. A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year, A dentist made $2,500 per year, A veterinarian $1,500 per year, And a mechanical engineer about $5,000 per year. More than 95 percent of all births in the U.S. Took place at HOME. Ninety percent of all U.S. Doctors had NO COLLEGE EDUCATION! Instead, they attended so-called medical schools, many of which Were condemned in the press AND the government as "substandard." Sugar cost four cents a pound. Eggs were fourteen cents a dozen. Coffee was fifteen cents a pound. Most women only washed their hair once a month, and used Borax or egg yolks for shampoo. Canada passed a law that prohibited poor people from Entering into their country for any reason. Five leading causes of death in the U.S. Were: 1. Pneumonia and influenza 2. Tuberculosis 3. Diarrhea 4. Heart disease 5. Stroke The American flag had 45 stars. Arizona, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Hawaii, and Alaska hadn't been admitted to the Union yet. The population of Las Vegas , Nevada , was only 30!!!! Crossword puzzles, canned beer, and ice tea Hadn't been invented yet. There was no Mother's Day or Father's Day. Two out of every 10 U.S. Adults couldn't read or write. Only 6 percent of all Americans had graduated from high school. Marijuana, heroin, and morphine were all available over The counter at the local corner drugstores. Back then pharmacists Said, "Heroin clears the complexion, gives buoyancy to the mind, Regulates the stomach and bowels, and is, in fact, a perfect guardian Of health." There were about 230 reported Murders in the ENTIRE U.S.A.! Now I sent it to you and others all over the United States , Possibly the world, in a matter of just Seconds !!!!!!!!! PASS THIS ALONG!!!!! Just Try to imagine..... What it may be like In another 100 years !!!!!!! IT STAGGERS THE MIND! Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:32:33 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/c6016380-8230-43ea-82e7-d9eb56441520#3b1f9527-2f8d-481c-aef5-73ad84dd4a0b Patrick 2008-02-02T06:32:33Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/b7e3dbe7-27af-4c80-a817-7ad0d745557c#103ff48a-6c29-45ff-b782-3710ec547a98 Versailles! How fun...I'll go someday...oh yes...I will.... I know how you feel! I got the itch to find out more about the life of Marie Antoinette too... This is a non-fiction biography that seems well balanced and very readable: Marie Antoinette: The Last Queen of France by Evelyne Lever I found the historical fiction: The Hidden Diary of Marie Antoinette: A Novel by Carolly Erickson (This I haven't read yet but it has been on my ever growing list for a while) Interesting is that Carolly Erickson also wrote a non-fiction biography (To the Scaffold: The Life of Marie Antoinette). I think it would be fun to read side by side :-) Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:08:48 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/b7e3dbe7-27af-4c80-a817-7ad0d745557c#103ff48a-6c29-45ff-b782-3710ec547a98 BratCat 2007-08-07T18:08:48Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/b7e3dbe7-27af-4c80-a817-7ad0d745557c#3ab63976-7f5c-4da3-97a6-fec048ef86c1 wow - thanks so much!! I can't wait to start!! :-) Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:13:26 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/b7e3dbe7-27af-4c80-a817-7ad0d745557c#3ab63976-7f5c-4da3-97a6-fec048ef86c1 Miss P "Rachel Silver" 2007-08-07T16:13:26Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/b7e3dbe7-27af-4c80-a817-7ad0d745557c#074f3a97-49cc-4b03-b2e7-528f46d904c4 Let's see. I haven't read these but their reviews are good. Abundance, A Novel of Marie Antoinette by Sena Jeter Naslund (I'm quite interested in reading this one!) The Hidden Diary of Marie Antoinette: A Novel by Carolly Erickson The Knight of Maison-Rouge: A Novel of Marie Antoinette by Alexandre Dumas, Lorenzo Carcaterra, and Julie Rose Farewell, My Queen: A Novel by Chantal Thomas I hope that helps. Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:22:36 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/b7e3dbe7-27af-4c80-a817-7ad0d745557c#074f3a97-49cc-4b03-b2e7-528f46d904c4 Vashka 2007-08-07T13:22:36Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/b7e3dbe7-27af-4c80-a817-7ad0d745557c#7d8a4cd0-6cb5-49cc-8229-39117969ff35 Hi everyone I absolutely loved Versailles palace when I went to Paris on my honemoon so i decided to watch the recent film featuring Kirsten Dunst. Of course I'm now inspired to seek out some good novels about her. I have just found 'The Mirror Makers' by Clare Colvin at the library (it's about the court of Louis XIV - I"ll let you know if it's any good), but I can't find any based in Marie Antoinette's era so far... any recommnedations would be appreciated :-) thanks!!! Rach XXX Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:51:19 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/b7e3dbe7-27af-4c80-a817-7ad0d745557c#7d8a4cd0-6cb5-49cc-8229-39117969ff35 Miss P "Rachel Silver" 2007-08-07T06:51:19Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#0e485a4d-17de-4b4b-8d8d-c5570fd94bc2 Oh, I am doing my best to get ahold of other Alison Weir novels. ^_^ She is fantastic, I agree! Wed, 01 Aug 2007 02:18:05 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#0e485a4d-17de-4b4b-8d8d-c5570fd94bc2 Vashka 2007-08-01T02:18:05Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/b01ebc2a-98c1-4dfd-aefe-6c1a7730dc9c#a2395a14-dde9-486f-ab76-a31d8f85d7b4 I agree, Brat... The historical fiction author gives us the possible Why, or simply spins a yarn about peripheral characters set against the backdrop of profound events... Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:36:20 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/b01ebc2a-98c1-4dfd-aefe-6c1a7730dc9c#a2395a14-dde9-486f-ab76-a31d8f85d7b4 Baubo 2007-07-31T19:36:20Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#4e0a77ee-584f-479f-bb2a-a03de0f5622d Oh man Alison Weir is awesome. Try The Princes in the Tower for the story of the two English princes imprisoned (and eventually killed?) by Richard III. She has her history down pat, and makes a compelling case for Richard as the murderer! Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:30:47 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#4e0a77ee-584f-479f-bb2a-a03de0f5622d Baubo 2007-07-31T19:30:47Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#ee10a40a-8a59-46ed-a7e7-b1910adba10d Phillipa Gregory is awesome but... Have you read The Virgin Earth? I hated that one by her... Didn't follow through, ended abruptly... She could've left out the whole Jamestown part and it would have made a better story! ~Baubo~ Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:19:57 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#ee10a40a-8a59-46ed-a7e7-b1910adba10d Baubo 2007-07-31T19:19:57Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#e8d1b58d-1569-4252-8a91-546b13903fac Oooooh I loved the Red Tent too... My friends and I reference it all the time for Moon Cycles lol. Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:16:07 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#e8d1b58d-1569-4252-8a91-546b13903fac Baubo 2007-07-31T19:16:07Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/dcadd843-c547-49ed-81e3-b7f1f55a831b#d4bc1e44-f53b-4fcb-a8d3-f4820deeb39b Ah, good to hear that A Breath of Snow and Ashes is worth it. I still have that book on CD sitting on a shelf above my desk looking as intimidating as ever! But I have a long four day drive ahead of me, so that may be the perfect time to listen! Excellent that you got a chance to meet DG. And Gerard Butler. Hmmm. He was SUCH a hunk in 300. They'd need to tone those abs down just a bit for Jamie. hahaha. Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:00:02 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/dcadd843-c547-49ed-81e3-b7f1f55a831b#d4bc1e44-f53b-4fcb-a8d3-f4820deeb39b Elizabeth 2007-07-17T14:00:02Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/dcadd843-c547-49ed-81e3-b7f1f55a831b#cc3cc257-936a-4889-95c8-56a7bc712571 Oh Man I love all these books! The first three, Outlander, Dragonfly in Amber, and Voyager were the reason I went to Scotland, lol! I love the whole series and have them signed by DG. I heard her give a talk a few years ago near Seattle and she said the hardest part about a movie would be casting Jamie (I think so too!) but she was kind of preferential toward Gerard Butler. I could see him as Jamie (picture him in The 300, but with reddish hair). And I always thought the actress who played the Scottish queen in the movie "Elizabeth" (tell your queen not to send boys to die for England!) was the epitome of Claire. Keira Knightly? No way. To young, too thin. Jamie loves Claire's round plump arse, after all! I think if you have read all the books, A Breath of Snow and Ashes is definitely worth the read. It ties up all the loose ends and ends the series. I doubt there will be another book, unless it's a spinoff, like the Lord John Grey book. Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:53:38 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/dcadd843-c547-49ed-81e3-b7f1f55a831b#cc3cc257-936a-4889-95c8-56a7bc712571 Baubo 2007-07-17T09:53:38Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#5306df05-a413-4596-a4fa-ec53cd9f279a Alison Weir's "Innocent Traitor", Emma Donoghue's "Slammerkin" and "Life Mask", Michael Cox's "Meaning of Night" Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:40:06 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#5306df05-a413-4596-a4fa-ec53cd9f279a Vashka 2007-07-10T18:40:06Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/a805fd7f-ff29-4b71-a1d6-e1b2cafa5098#838f344d-8827-4103-89eb-8ac6543f45e0 My wife gave me this book. Wow, what a great read. I'm on my way out to get her version of Zorro! Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:39:09 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/a805fd7f-ff29-4b71-a1d6-e1b2cafa5098#838f344d-8827-4103-89eb-8ac6543f45e0 c. 2007-06-01T17:39:09Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/cc1dbc7f-9a47-4500-9b4f-c3c9fa90e43e#561ad398-8797-49f7-95b7-daf45f09549d ((((And that give us all the chance to really whine about it and call foul! )))) Isn't THAT the truth! Thu, 03 May 2007 18:55:23 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/cc1dbc7f-9a47-4500-9b4f-c3c9fa90e43e#561ad398-8797-49f7-95b7-daf45f09549d David 2007-05-03T18:55:23Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/2199474e-d165-4655-8a45-5487b4c340f2#211b7888-9f86-4753-878d-0ccbc96b613e I finally went and saw it last night. I WAS great! Yes, a bit larger than life, but gorgeous to watch. Definitely worth the price of admission! Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:38:34 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/2199474e-d165-4655-8a45-5487b4c340f2#211b7888-9f86-4753-878d-0ccbc96b613e Elizabeth 2007-04-23T14:38:34Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/cc1dbc7f-9a47-4500-9b4f-c3c9fa90e43e#95443025-bbac-4dfb-b723-02fa93458801 Fiction is defined as "a literary work based on the imagination and not necessarily on fact." I've also heard it described as the "illusion of reality." So the only things that really fall outside the historic fiction category would be documentaries, eye witness accounts, or other non-dramatized versions of the facts. Granted some of what is out there falls squarely into fantasy because so few historic facts are used. And that give us all the chance to really whine about it and call foul! Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:13:02 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/cc1dbc7f-9a47-4500-9b4f-c3c9fa90e43e#95443025-bbac-4dfb-b723-02fa93458801 Elizabeth 2007-04-21T13:13:02Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/cc1dbc7f-9a47-4500-9b4f-c3c9fa90e43e#c6796e93-24cb-4d14-a8dd-e677f4adf425 I think we're confusing Historical Fiction with Historical Dramas While Elizabeth and Cleopatra have been 'Hollywoodized" do they qualify as FICTION? Many of the films mentioned below are actually based on TRUE history... FAVORITE Historical FILMS: TOMBSTONE, ROB ROY, BRAVEHEART, ELIZABETH. 300, SAVING PRIVATE RYAN So...what is Historical FICTION Film? Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:30:20 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/cc1dbc7f-9a47-4500-9b4f-c3c9fa90e43e#c6796e93-24cb-4d14-a8dd-e677f4adf425 David 2007-04-20T21:30:20Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/2199474e-d165-4655-8a45-5487b4c340f2#3b9038cb-8fb8-421a-9941-26bf88902760 I thought it was great.....and it was based on the comic book, which I own. It's the Battle of Thermopylae and the events leading up to it from Leonidas of Sparta's perspective... Visually beautiful.....it's like a comicbook on film...if you like that. Is it historical?....well...it does borrow quotes and scenes from Herodetus' telling of this event.... I'm sure it's become a bit mythologized along the way..... Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:17:18 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/2199474e-d165-4655-8a45-5487b4c340f2#3b9038cb-8fb8-421a-9941-26bf88902760 David 2007-04-20T00:17:18Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#a30d2833-f50b-465f-aa01-f800b56cf954 I think it sounds like a great premise...in Edward Rutherford's Sarum there is a chapter that follows the plagues arrival to Britain and it's all told through the point of view of fleas and rodents...great perception. I'm going to pre order World Without End, definitely. Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:59:28 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#a30d2833-f50b-465f-aa01-f800b56cf954 Christy Hussein 2007-04-12T00:59:28Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#88d3d53e-7cb6-4801-994c-b18c39c48d59 It is called World Without End. Read more about it here. It is due out in October! http://www.ken-follett.com/ Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:54:51 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#88d3d53e-7cb6-4801-994c-b18c39c48d59 Elizabeth 2007-04-11T13:54:51Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#663c386f-615a-47e5-af2f-c8486b6ac128 It was on here earlier in the this thread. Now I am intrigued. I haven't read Pillars but now I think as soon as I am done with Labyrinth (which I also highly reccommend) I will search it out. Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:23:37 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#663c386f-615a-47e5-af2f-c8486b6ac128 BratCat 2007-04-11T13:23:37Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#368fa3a1-3323-4c88-a30c-bfc77a3b37a6 I heard Follet was working on a sequel to Pillars...has anyone else heard that? Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:34:17 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#368fa3a1-3323-4c88-a30c-bfc77a3b37a6 Christy Hussein 2007-04-11T07:34:17Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#1b99921d-190d-4948-8288-aeb61264fea4 Pillars of the Earth was great! Wed, 11 Apr 2007 02:58:00 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#1b99921d-190d-4948-8288-aeb61264fea4 Elizabeth 2007-04-11T02:58:00Z http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#e7d67457-30a5-4b6d-a40c-199bfbfffdf8 Yeah...The Source is epic Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:08:57 GMT http://historicfiction.tribe.net/thread/5fdfc06f-709d-4500-81ec-26f6d35fd8b3#e7d67457-30a5-4b6d-a40c-199bfbfffdf8 BratCat 2007-04-11T01:08:57Z